Started by Hobbes, 29 May 2021, 04:30
QuoteAGS doesn't utilise an installer like most Windows applications, all you need to do is extract it and you're ready to go.
Quote from: Snarky on 29 May 2021, 12:53I also don't agree that some outdated pages or articles means that nothing is getting updated. It just means those pages haven't been kept up-to-date (quite possibly because hardly anybody actually uses them). One possible implication of that is that we should cut down on the number of things that need to be kept up-to-date.
Quote from: Ali on 29 May 2021, 15:40Nothing I've looked at is more straight-forward for getting a point and click game going. For me, those are the people everything should be aimed at.
Quote from: Darth Mandarb on 29 May 2021, 16:09I think the way to go would be to assign one person for the front-end design and one for the back-end and just trust them to create the thing.
Quote from: AGA on 30 May 2021, 12:47What I Think We NeedSomeone to produce a mobile-friendly (responsive) redesign of the main site. As far as the main site is concerned, I'd need an HTML + CSS template of how the landing page, games pages, etc (essentially any page with a unique design and layout) would be structured, plus one generic template that could be used for all other pages (i.e. the free text pages with similar layout, like most other pages on the current site use).Someone to produce a mobile-friendly (responsive) redesign of the forums. This would need to work inside the SMF template system, which allows you to edit the core HTML and CSS that sits behind the dynamic forum content.The community (with or without a project lead, stakeholder panel, whatever) to decide what the site (and forums if a restructuring is really wanted) content, flows, etc. should be.Me to apply the site and forum content to the template pages provided.Community members to take ownership of actually keeping the site up to date, whether it's through a Content Management System I build into the site, using the wiki as the data source, whatever. I have no interest in our using WordPress; getting it to interact with our existing data, integrate with the forums etc, would be just as much effort as writing a CMS myself.
Quote from: eri0o on 31 May 2021, 14:31The AGS games database is a must I think,It's useful for the AGS Awards and to help the community follow up the released games. It's useful for me to find games to test with ports too. Where does the Games DB goes in this?
Quote from: AGA on 31 May 2021, 16:55Just to warn you all, someone is working on a mock up of a redesign, so please nobody else start on one!
Quote from: AGA on 02 Jun 2021, 23:41User accounts (and, more specifically, security) comes up all the time, as you may have noticed. Spam is a constant battle though, and SMF apparently an easy target, so I can't promise too much!
QuoteWe should definitely aim to map out some user journeys, and to design the structure of the site before I get stuck into actually coding it.
QuoteWhether we need any tooling, or could just sketch it on the back of a napkin (figuratively speaking) is a question though...
QuoteI would aim to refine what we already have, but not lose any functionality (somebody asked for every feature the site has, after all).
QuoteI think the games listings should be more like a web store, so ultimately it's a giant list, but can be dynamically searched and filtered to find exactly what you're looking for. Rather than the current way of doing things, which is very web 1.5 and involves lots of different screens, submission of static forms, endless clicks to find what you want. This will need a lot of input from the community for stuff like tagging games with categories, languages, platforms etc.
Quote from: Snarky on 03 Jun 2021, 00:17Yes, but perhaps there are ways around it. For example, what if people didn't have to jump through quite so many hoops just to register, but we put limitations on their accounts (e.g. not able to post on the forums, or posts held for moderation) until more fully vetted.
Quote from: Snarky on 03 Jun 2021, 00:17Cool. Do I understand it correctly that the current site is hand-coded in PHP and CSS? Are you planning to stick with that, or move to some kind of CMS?
Quote from: Snarky on 03 Jun 2021, 00:17I see that we have Hotjar and Google Analytics running on the site. Some of that data might be useful to inform the user journeys.
Quote from: Snarky on 03 Jun 2021, 00:17In particular, I think the user ratings of games are clearly not working as-is. Even games like Lamplight City, Feria d'Arles and Until I Have You don't have enough votes to show a rating. That whole form to fill in is just way too much, and hardly adds any value—the sub-ratings are pretty much useless anyway when so many of the games in the db aren't covered. Let's pare it down to a single star rating, which you can click to set directly on the game's page, and then an optional review. Maybe that way people would actually do it. And if we kept track of games that the user had downloaded (in a cookie), and showed a request for a rating/review the next time they visited, maybe we could get enough ratings that sorting/filtering by rating would make sense and not leave out major titles.
Quote from: eri0o on 03 Jun 2021, 00:23Please no changes to the forums! I swear it's the best thing I use on the phone. Discourse and all similars are dreadful to use. It's 2021, phones have big screens with 4k resolution!
Quote from: eri0o on 03 Jun 2021, 00:23About the Web Port, if archives hadn't been killed it would be cool to integrate, I am down for helping with it in any way possible if people have ideas. Does itch.io or gamejolt allow for an embedded view of a game be placed in a different website? It also may be possible to unzip in JS and load directly from a zip to the webport, I haven't done because I was lazy, but if it helps in any way I can do it. Maybe if people want to select some free games (and AGA has the bandwidth), I could prepare them in web playable format.
Quote from: eri0o on 03 Jun 2021, 00:23I think it's fine to put a donation button in the landing page, paying the servers costs is important. The things people are saying in the forums is gone, is this intentional?
Quote from: Laura Hunt on 03 Jun 2021, 08:27I checked out the new design both on desktop and my phone, and I agree with most comments here that it looks fantastic. Much cleaner, more modern, and easier to navigate. My only nitpicks would be that "Think you've got what it takes?" sounds a bit too aggressive, and that maybe the list of features could be arranged in a nicer-looking way, but that's about it. I'm amazed at how this project got off the ground so quickly!
Quote from: Reiter on 03 Jun 2021, 09:13There are some quibbles, of course. I imagine that the decidedly corporate illustrations here and there are place holders, and that they will be replaced. Now, they do look quite alright, and are well chosen. I do think, however, that something we produce ourselves would be better. They are very non-descript and minimalistic.
Quote from: tampie85 on 02 Jun 2021, 20:23All images and URLs are placeholders
Quote from: Hobo on 03 Jun 2021, 11:29On the Games Page, I'm not sure the Awards and Ratings section needs a whole big area to itself. I'd probably move the ratings under the download button, possibly simplify them like others have suggested and perhaps get rid of the AGS panel ratings, since this feature has been dormant for years.
QuoteI would like to add though that I know absolutely nothing about web design and I am an old antiquated dinosaur, whose web browsing preferences and habits do not reflect the average person that will be visiting the AGS website
Quote from: heltenjon on 03 Jun 2021, 12:11I understand this is due to Progzmax's illness and sad passing away. Perhaps it is time for the mods to elect a new head of the Review Panel? The system of the panel and the user's rating next to each other is quite informative, and I wouldn't want to get rid of it just because it's not in place for the last years' games.
Quote from: emabolo on 03 Jun 2021, 16:071) How to browse games? I don't see any games browsing section. As someone that has discovered first the AGS games, and later AGS, I really think that this part is very important. Right now it's not easy to browse the games database, so I think this is the perfect chance to redo this part. Users should be able to order the games by Popular, Top sellers, Top Rated, Most Recent, Most commented, or search by tags
Quote from: emabolo on 03 Jun 2021, 16:072) On the games detail page, I think one screenshot is not enough. The pages should be more visual. A big screenshot/video and a screenshots slideshow would be nice (ie. humblebundle: https://www.humblebundle.com/store/borderlands-3-ultimate-edition)
Quote from: AGA on 03 Jun 2021, 15:50Just to clarify, there's never been a head of the rating panel; there are a handful of people who do the reviews as and when they have the time and inclination. But as with everything online, real life gets in the way, and people's availability and enthusiasm isn't always high enough to do ensure every game gets rated.
QuoteWho are in the Panel?I work as coordinator and supervisor of the rating panel project. Progzmax is the current head of the panel.The rest of the individual Rating Panel members are currently anonymous. This is to prevent coercion and abuse from game authors.
Quote from: AGA on 03 Jun 2021, 16:41In the shown example there are three screenshots. There are navigation arrows on the screenshot (swipable on mobile), and picker buttons at the bottom of the image to select individual screenshots. They also rotate automatically every few seconds. If you don't see any of that functionality, perhaps you have scripts disabled on that page?
Quote from: heltenjon on 03 Jun 2021, 19:54Well, the Rating Panel Information Thread states there is:
Quote from: AGA on 03 Jun 2021, 08:45Indeed it's been great to get so much input from people so quickly, and huge credit goes to tampie85 for managing to get so much done while juggling care of our ten month old son!
QuoteThe things people are saying in the forums is gone, is this intentional?I meant that little blank comic bubble that has Roger (I think?) face where it appears the 5 most recent forum posts. I think having things changing in the homepage improves SEO.
Quotetry to include a bit of the last 3 posts, recently added games, last AGS version released at... to show how active the community is. This is a major aspect of AGS and might influence if people decide to use the engine.
QuoteHow to browse games? I don't see any games browsing section. As someone that has discovered first the AGS games, and later AGS, I really think that this part is very important. Right now it's not easy to browse the games database, so I think this is the perfect chance to redo this part. Users should be able to order the games by Popular, Top sellers, Top Rated, Most Recent, Most commented, or search by tags
Quote from: Skeevy Wonder on 05 Jun 2021, 11:50The registration: At least some bar to entry, please, keep out the riff-raff, haha. When I registered in 2016 I was surprised there was a test but thought it was funny. There were a few minutes of ranting from my partner when he registered, however. Maybe an 'introduce yourself/why AGS' requirement, and as has already been suggested, a brief probationary period with limited posting capabilities.
Quote from: Cassiebsg on 06 Jun 2021, 12:22Is there anyway, that we can keep a "preferred theme" for registered users? So we can choose the old layout or the new? (Just on the games pages, I really like how compact and all the info was right there, even though it could benefit visually with some alignment on the sections.
Quote from: RickJ on 06 Jun 2021, 01:58Play - Hundres of free games availableMake - Create your first game in minutesJoin - Great community support
Quote from: Ali on 05 Jun 2021, 11:55I think the days of people downloading AGS because they're trying to make Tomb Raider are long gone.
Quote from: javixblack on 15 Jun 2021, 03:23Dark mode, it's all I want.
Quote from: milkanannan on 15 Jun 2021, 05:52I would appreciate this, too. I think the mods could easily activate a dark theme option in the back end and then us users could get to it via Settings > Profile > Look and layout.
Quote from: ToeKnee on 17 Jun 2021, 11:48Great to see this happening...My 2c.... some of the 'modules' could/should be created/grouped/indexed and made available. In UNITY adn other products I get a few FREE games/programs and MODULES I can cut-paste.Eg: I could create a HINTS framework (Timer that counts down and pops up a screen with the next hint based on hints no longer needed/past) that people could download, look at the code and re-use entirely for their own purposes in their own games...
Quote from: cat on 18 Jun 2021, 08:02* The screenshot widget with changing picks does not work on my phone with duckduckgo browser - there is just a white space instead
Quote from: eri0o on 18 Jun 2021, 12:15I mean, I almost never use landscape mode on my phone, but indeed - Chrome browser on Android [spoiler][/spoiler]
Quote from: cat on 18 Jun 2021, 08:02* The main page is broken when reading the page on mobile in landscape mode - the top is cut
Quote from: Stupot on 18 Jun 2021, 13:14For me it does this even in portrait (Safari, iPhone SE1, so old small screen). In landscape it goes right down to the first 'learn more' button.
Quote from: cat on 18 Jun 2021, 14:09Regarding the missing screenshots: this might be an issue with my phone, as other people don't have problems here. Does the widget do any caching/preloading/fancy js?
Quote from: tampie85 on 18 Jun 2021, 20:54I'm not a professional designer/developer and therefore my skills are limited.
Quote from: Kastchey on 19 Jun 2021, 10:58Honestly, I would have thought you are. To my untrained eye at least, this doesn't look any less professional than what commercial engines use for their websites.
Quote from: eri0o on 18 Jun 2021, 14:30@cat, just a curiosity, does the screenshots don't load too when using mobile data connection instead of WiFi? I know it's a bizarre question, but I noticed some android devices have trouble with some specific ways of requesting files - but only when using WiFi. I couldn't yet figure how to work around it - it's a problem for my ags web port too.
Quote from: eri0o on 24 Jun 2021, 17:01Tampie85, amazing work! I think this last message of yours should be split into a topic of it's own so there's more focus on what's up to the community to do. Regarding the mapping, I noticed the legal information may contain a bit of old information, basically on the license of things that comes with AGS, and what comes with AGS is changing with the new SDL based version. There's also non-current information on mp3 patents that have now expired. Is it possible to pickup the data from that page from a wiki or something ? I could update the license/legal information in this new page. The page also appears to have a mix of info from AGS was closed source there.
Quote from: Crimson Wizard on 06 Jul 2021, 20:37Don't know if mentioned before, but when adding your game to the database I can only choose resolution from a very short list of presets, probably dating back to pre-open source engine era.It would be nice if this is resolved in the new site.
Quote from: tampie85 on 06 Jul 2021, 20:42That's a good point. Do you have any idea what the most common resolutions are?
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