Started by cat, 13 Mar 2022, 10:46
Quote from: Postmodern Adventures on 13 Mar 2022, 11:03Last year I didn't submit Urban Witch Story for best music/sound, precisely of what you mention. I was the first one surprised that Urban Witch won that undeserved award. I guess the people who voted were unaware that the music was in the public domain.
Quote from: heltenjon on 13 Mar 2022, 11:47Hmmm...I see now that Cat answered me on a similar question in last year's thread, that the music ought to have been made specifically for that game. And we are several who have suggested music picked from Eric Matyas' site for the best music award. I guess that's a no no, then? I'm somewhat divided, as he creates so much and posts about it on this site. But it's usually just used with attribution, not made after request. Should we treat the music source differently when it has been made available through posting in the AGS forum than when it's found on other sites?
QuoteI guess the same could be said about characters - Viktor's MASH game uses characters from the tv series, for instance. I'd say one could argue that it's the use of these characters in this specific game that's up for evaluation here. Otherwise, the award should probably be called Best original character...which would rule out fair use of folklore characters like Robin Hood, Cinderella, The tree little pigs etc.
Quote from: Laura Hunt on 13 Mar 2022, 12:12I think a good alternative would be to create two separate awards, one for Original Music and one for Audio Design, which would encompass both sound effects and non-original music. Even if a game does not have original music, a lot of skill and work can also go into finding the appropriate tracks that fit with the mood/gameplay and using them to enhance the experience. For example, half the music in our game was written and performed by myself while the other half was made up of public domain classical music performances and songs from the 1920s, and the task of curating/choosing those specific tracks and not others, as well as making them work in key moments of the game, took months. But like I said above, this might perhaps be better classified as "audio design" and it would be fair for it to be acknowledged in a separate award.
Quote from: cat on 13 Mar 2022, 13:36It's a difficult topic.
Quote from: heltenjon on 13 Mar 2022, 17:09Most would agree that Robin Hood could win for best character if done right, whereas, say, Batman or Guybrush shouldn't. (But Fatman or G. Thriftweed could.)
Quote from: Snarky on 13 Mar 2022, 18:12 Examples of "non-original" characters nominated for this or similar AGS awards include Jimi Hendrix (2015), Ratatosk (2014), Roger Wilco (2012), characters from Space Quest: Vohaul Strikes Back (2011), Oceanspirit Dennis (2010), characters from Little Girl in Underland (styled as an American McGee's Alice demake) (2008), Satan (2002), and Mika from Reality-on-the Norm (2001)—the very first winner of Best NPC (in Dave Gilbert's The Postman Only Dies Once, having originally been created by Anthony Hahn for I Spy). I trust the voters knew what they were doing e.g. in naming Roger Wilco as best playable character in 2012.
Quote from: FormosaFalanster on 13 Mar 2022, 21:23You are actually proving the point that it should not happen again.Roger Wilco being nominated in 2012 was an absurdity that should not be replicated. This is the very reason why we are having this conversation in the first place.
Quote from: Snarky on 13 Mar 2022, 21:49Quote from: FormosaFalanster on 13 Mar 2022, 21:23You are actually proving the point that it should not happen again.Roger Wilco being nominated in 2012 was an absurdity that should not be replicated. This is the very reason why we are having this conversation in the first place.I oppose your proposal. Your cure is worse than the problem it is meant to solve.
Quote from: eri0o on 14 Mar 2022, 00:55I think when you are voting for a best character and all options are playable characters it's about as how fun/interesting it's to be the nominated character as you play that game. Games are not books.
Quote from: LimpingFish on 14 Mar 2022, 18:27It might help if we could agree on what a "best" character even is.If it concerns good characterization, then wouldn't that be covered by the writing award? If it's a character we find endearing or cleverly-...well, actually that would probably fall under writing as well.Perhaps "Best Character" could be altered to "Favorite Character", which could cover a number of aspects, without commenting specifically on "quality"? Of course, this doesn't address the debate on character originality...Perhaps "Favorite New Character"?
Quote from: heltenjon on 14 Mar 2022, 20:14I think Best Character is still the best choice, because it covers several of those bases.
Quote from: heltenjon on 14 Mar 2022, 20:14The category Best Puzzles would ideally (in my mind only, mind you) hold excellent puzzles of many kinds: pure logic, inventory based, world understanding or investigative/dialogue based.
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